Wednesday, January 20, 2010

3 idiots continued

Ok. let me again address these comments one by one

1

first Chetan Bhagat wasnt seeking credit he was seeking publicity which he got in the end went home happy and gay. After all he wanted his book 5 point someone and the latest book to sell like hot cakes. The fact that it was a publicity gimmick was proved when in tbe end Bhagat silenced himself by apologizing when he realised that he ahd got the requisite publicity. The magnitude of credit which was his due he got as his name appeared in the end of the movie. As per the movie contract also there was no such clause where it was written that Bhagat's name shall appear in bold and that too in the beginning. Also he was paid the requisite money as the story was bought all in accordance with the rules.


Me: There can be two theories.

1) There was so much pressure from industry giants that the writer must have succumbed to the situation.

2 He really wanted publicity. But what for? He already had enough.


The point about writing about C.B was not for supporting him as an individual. But don't these industry people really themselves raise a lot of hue and cry that they are in derth of stories.And when some one is giving them a story they are acting so much narrow minded.

Watch any movie based on Stephen King's novel and suitable credit is given to him. He is paid enough also. Some other person writes the script. But they never do their funny experiments. They are BIG hearted perhaps.

In fact writing is a profession in India - the most ignored. Writers should be promoted in this country.


2
second the movie doesnt deride either the students,their parents or the teachers. There is elucidation of the fact that those children who resort to rote learning and just mug up at the last minute dont always make for intellectual individuals.
Also these days parents have imposed streamline careers for their offsprings. Either the child must be a doctor or an engineer. Dabbling in other fields means wastage of time. Such parents must be ridiculed in the right earnest. Children should carve out careers in those fields where their interests lie not where their parents' intersts lie.


Me: Muggers never get passed even. The person who was shown as mugging was also shown among toppers. Ask any top level studnet about any concept. He or she will explain it upto satisfaction also.

second thing : Presentation matters. No body is going to read your mind. But your answer books only. And if a person understands a thing why can't he write it on paper!

3rd thing: revision is different then cramming or mugging.

4th: Parents - What a teen ager knows. Parents has seen life. And if they ask their children to become doctors or engineer even that is not wrong at all. Many of them become so. And those who fail to do so they still land in good jobs. This area provided most of the jobs.

Apart of this if some parents will ask their children - do what you like, the child may wrongfully want to become a movie star. And every one knows the truth what happens there.

creative fields have cut throat competitions and they are matter of chance. If you dont believe me go watch - chance pe dance.Everyone can't be Sahid kapur. But many can be Doc, Ers , Teachers, and so on so forth. So this is a bit exaggerated things about parents.


3

Raising the points of teachers. Although teachers want their pupils to scale unparallel heights but they must not encourage so much competition and a cooker environment where there is no scope of innovative thinking. Teachers of this type were made fun of in the movie ie those who lay emphasis on only book reading.

Me: This is a good point. And my saying is - Do such teachers exist?
Well No. I never met in my life. They deliver their lectures and go. If we do good they praise us and for bad things – they scold us. What else do we expect from them!
So the movie has given a message – All teachers are Viruses. But in fact majority are Bacteria.
(yes for the sake of comedy – its cool. But people are saying this movie gives - message! Can’t get.)
And There is a proverb – no one dies of hard work.

4
There is no adulation for and glorification of outrageous and lethargic students. Since the core interest of those students laid elsewhere they did not develop interest in what was taught to them and once they delved into a field which was their cup of tea they became successful a very plausible and true notion which holds true even in our cases.

Me: Every one in an IIT gets a job. 100%. Whether they are interested in it or not.
2nd thing why would one come into it if he or she is not interested.
In reality everyone wants to go to iits. Sometimes even their parenst don’t know what it is!


5
I only agree with your last point that its a good comedy. It also highlights the flaws of the system in a very satirical way, the best way to leave an impact in a country like India.

Me: Yes. It’s a good comedy. Because student like Rancho doesn’t exist in reality. But only in movies.
One can not become topper without putting hard work.


6
The conclusion is that parents who impose strict regulations on their children must be ridiculed, others who are liberal and carefully gauge and assess the limitaions of their child must be applauded.

Me: agreed. But in reality every one in the end respects their parents. (Don’t get misled by teen years)

7
Because profession must be such that u derive pleasure while working so that eventually monetary satisfaction can also be reached.and thats what this brilliant movie signifies. Those teachers must be applauded who closely monitor their pupils' progress and do their duty well by explaining their subject so well that a laggard can also grasp what is taught, other teachers must not be cynicized but seen as flowing with the tide, since their criticism would be wrong.

Me: Ask a teacher, doctor, engineer, mba, etc. and you will get – Main kahan fans gaya yar?
Ironically no one appears happy but in truth everyone is proud of their profession. And if a person have money , happiness follows. Otherwise poverty would not have been called a problem!

8
Those students must be mauled who waste the teachers' and their parents time and money by being in the field in which they have talent but still lack the desire to excel and exhibit lack of hardwork and patience, others who work hard and know their destination must be doffed hats at.

Me: Parmesh is a good actor. What’s he doing in life science.? (LOL).


Anyways its the point of view and consciousness that matters. Being a movie critic I analyzed the movie to the core and understood its hidden meaning to the full and found out that it counters just those points which are written as drawbacks in this blog entry.

Me: You are the future of criticism!


Sandeep:
A knowledge about our sytem of education which showing that the students with 80-90% or above are considered as brillent students. Below this percentage students are treated as average or ......... means they dont have so much knowlegde and they can not do anything with these percentage. But i dont think that getting a good marks in written exams is a good criteria for measuring the intelligency of a student


Me: Yes this I agree. But examination criteria is 70% O.K. And high scorer are generally good students also. But never mind these days there are entrance exams. If one really has knowledge they will get through it. And others – well they can also excel in other fields – life is full of oppurtunities.

Prachi:
its actually hard to believe d movie is in any way a retelling or an adaptation of d book "5.sm1" which i personally dint find exactly funny or evn likeable...wat s evn more remarkable r comments made by Bhagat pre n post production of 3idiots, [which has showcased d true Indian orthodox mindset (n also d true Indian crisis) in a very commendable manner] n d same r d very proof of his actual intentions...abt d issue of glorifying rebellion among students, its quite comprehensible y teachers n parents may share ur viewpoint


Me: Well which book have you liked so far ma’m (LOL).
And glorifying rebellion – I never asked students why they bunk the classes. Rebels you know!

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P.S: I wish your answers were as long as your comments or even half the length.


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13 comments:

  1. ohhk very wel commentd sir u nearly counterd all
    i wantd 2 say 1 thing about d teachers n their approach towards d students or exam syllabus etc
    sir, with due respect 2 all the teachers how many times 1 find teachers goin 4 extra classes with the purpose not related with the completion of their syllabus??i think never...
    n as seen in the movie when a professor asks about the definition of machine,although a general definition was given 2 him he ignored that in favor of the 1 given in book which is the same case being faced by the students now. Teachers 2 teach us in a way so as 2 complete their syllabus without caring that students r understanding or not (add 2 dat the number of xeroxs being given 2 us every time)
    wil comment again sir

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  2. So are you against completing the syllabus?

    Completing the syllabus is not formality. teachers are explaining all the concepts which fall under the syllabus.

    if there are 15 chapters, will you like a teacher who have completed only 10. Coz in exams all 15 chapters will come.

    and general definitions as the name indicates are general. They are laymanish. One needs them to be technically sound. therefore books are followed. And the definitions in the books are given by some scientists not fools.

    So whats wrong in that!

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  3. sir,
    as to ur question "which book hav u liked?" thr r many--sherlock holmes(series), harry potter(series), john grisham,jeffrey archer--to name a few...

    n abt bunkies, sir in colg bunking s routine...its like an added benefit of colg life...its like a fundamental right dat cant b taken away (disclaimer:personal opinions of teachers n students may differ)

    n also sir, most teachers r actually Viruses...bcz u r an exception sir, u dont realise it!

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  4. Ha ha. O.K . Prachi. Well I was talking about text books. Generally we get nervous just by looking at the mere size of some books.
    And it was in a lighter vein. It was not to be taken personally.

    Well Virus (of 3I) was also respectable. He had broght the institute from 38 position to number 1.
    And by virus if we mean strict teachers they are also good and much needed. Other wise no one will work.
    sometimes we read just coz of there fear.

    Bunks may be good but in moderation.

    And lastly its good to know that I am not a Virus.
    ha ha.

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  5. lolzzzz....sorry sir misinterpreted ur question...but honestly "which (text)books u've liked?" is tough to answer :D
    sir, can i ask u d same question? dat way i'll hav an idea which books u refer to fr preparing our question paper :) n i'll try to look them up in d library n read (maybe...hopefully :D)

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  6. Namah shivay And now another of the bloggers is here sir. I know uve been waiting for my comment. let me begin and go on one by one.

    1.The first theory is utterly wrong. There was no pressure from other industry insiders as Bhagat himself said in an Interview to the channel Headlines Today.

    2.The second theory is right. He sought publicity. You say he already had enough of it. HAHAHAH. Thats also wrong. Go to any book shop sir and get the data about the sales of Mr Bhagat's book. There has been a sudden surge in the demand post the controversy. Chetan Bhagat seemed a sinking ship post the movie Hello and the most ardent readers never appreciated and will appreciate his style of poor English writing.

    3. You said the director is creating a hoopla and acting narrow minded over the credit. Well to tell you sir this is the same director as Munnabhai series. He doesnt need to act in such a way and wouldnt ever act in this way as his attitude towards life reflects in the cinema he creates. Hes a Gandhian and pays bonuses to even his crew members so why would he snatch away credit due to some one else?

    I agree with you on the fact that writers are ignored but that fact can tbe taken into cognisance in this case as this is a case of gimmick.

    4.You said sir that muggers dont even get passed. Id like to cite the example of life sciences only. Everyone mugs up at the last minute. Ask them the questions of exam anytime else and they wouldnt know. This is total anathema to the concept of holistic learning.

    5.Also you said what does a teenager know? well even if u talk to a 10 year old hell know what he is good at so its not about age. Everyone knows their limitations when awareness level reaches a point so teenage or no teenage doesnt matter as far as being aware of your talent goes. And career must be built upon the area of talent.
    For example ill take my case as an example. I wont do any useful achievement if I pursue Life science after grad but if I take up journalism ill surely do. this is so coz my interest lies there and I know a career can be carved out there. My parents never told me that u have so so talent. I realised on my own and so this should also be the case of all others.

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  7. 6.You said that even if students dont land up in professional jobs they still get great jobs. But where would the job satisfaction be in that case?
    Also such a person can be compared to a small boat in a high tide. Wherever the tide takes it itll go and unlike the mighty ship who knows where it wants to go and high tide or no high tide it will go exactly where it wants to, the boat will not be self governing. So we must be confident and dependent and first know our talent and then achieve exactly what we wanted to.Financial status shall grow in such a case on its own as the interest takes you to new heights of success.

    7.You raised a point that the child would want to become a movie star if given too much freedom. So who said open the chains fully? There is something called authentic assessment. The parents and the child must adjudge the capabilities keeping in mind some achievements or flair in the field of interest. If the interest like movie star has developed out of sheer will of fame and money that would be wrong and not if the child is a theatre master. So what Im saying is assessment of the talent is also imnportant. prudent Judgement of talent shall only win the battle and not a hazy one. What u talked about was the case of teenagers hallucinating about bollywood which i agree is wrong and unfounded but if real talent is there why not give it a shot?

    You said creative fields have cut throat competition. Tell me sir which field doesnt have competition now? If u r the best or brilliant in your field there is enough employment for you.
    You advised me to see Chance pe dance. Well sir my reply would be I dont think a 1 star rated movie can teach me anything. But yea it certainly taught the producer not to make such films.

    8.Also you have wrongly observed that the movie has titled all teachers as viruses. Tell me where did any dialogue or scene in the movie say that all teachers are viruses? Thats your wrongful interpretation because you saw the movie in a wrong frame.

    9.Also you said everyone in IIt lands a job whether interested or not. But sir IIT admission process is such that only those get entry who are interested and genuinely hardworking so this movie doesnt apply to that institution at all.

    10. You stated that a student like Rancho doesnt exist. Well sir it has been taught to us through the movie that if something is your field of interest, you can excel in it even if you loaf around bulk of the time. You can be a Rancho if its your field.

    11. You quipped that no one appears happy on face but they are happy inside. Also you said when money comes happiness follows. Hahahah sir. You cant get more wrong than that. If money wouldve been synonymous to happiness then Bill Gates wouldve not resorted to charity in the end and wouldve stayed happy all through. But self admittedly he says money is a trivial factor for assessment of happiness.

    There is only greed in earning more and more money and that happiness is very short lived and transient. Although that doesnt mean aim for less but it means chasing money doesnt lead to happiness.

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  8. CONCLUDING POINT
    You said sir Parmesh is a good actor what he is doing in life scinces. To tell you sir mimicry and acting is only one of my side talents. My core field lies elsewhere. 5 years down the line when I shall meet you I will show you loads of money in my hands but the source of happiness will remain what it is now ie unconditional love from others and to others and helping others.

    I appreciate your kind words about me. I wish there comes a sea change in the way you wrongly view the education system. God bless you. Tc Namah shivay.

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  9. Well Parmesh I agree that you are absolutely right in your points.
    But , I am also not wrong.

    And to generalize: Everyone is ready to blame system but how many blame themselves.

    Systems were always wrong and will continue to be so but let that not become an excuse for our failures.

    If the system is wrong let's adapt ourself in such a way which may lead to success.

    In the end Thx for you blessings.

    And it was a nice discussion overall. Hope you will keep it up.

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  11. woohoo...plaudits to the movie 3 idiots for it has raised such a great debate among u people,all your comments shows hw much clear r u on your points & how enlighten are you people as a part of the society.
    & sir i am skeptic about the other points but i really support your 1st point about giving credits to the author,bcoz u have rightly stated that in all Stefan Kings's novel adapted movies have His name in the beginning of every movie & no need to mention that they all have been classics like-Shawshank Redemption,Stand by me & many more
    in this context there is 1 more name Vikas Swarup author of 'Q & A' which was adapted to the multiple oscar winner 'Slumdog millionaire'....Danny Boyle despite of being a Hollywood director,gave Vikas Swarup all the credits that he deserved & even those which actually he din't,because if anybody read "Q & A" can easily point out striking differences b/w the novel & the movie,but still with all due respect Vikas was honored by Danny & even invited to the oscars.

    if not "based on the novel"(as the story is slightly different) then at least Vidhu Vinod Chopra should have credited "inspired by the Novel of Chetan Bhagat".Because if there wouldn't have been '5 points someone' then even this blockbuster '3 idiots' would have never been existed,which concludes Chetan Bhagat is the mastermind of 3 idiots...

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  12. Well done Hardik. You added so many evidences to this point.
    Actually this is the mentality of Indian film makers. They need to act broad mindedly. They should give writers (any one) credit at their own. But no, they will go on reciting CLAUSES!

    No wonder out of 1200 films made each year in Bollywood how many do well at box office!

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  13. Corrections to your points:
    1-3: I would leave the bollywood at their own.

    4
    That is not mugging. That's called revision!


    5 Here I meant to say what a teen ager knows about life - the hardships ahead which are waiting. Parents have seen them. They have given interviews. They knew the cut throat competition.

    When they advise you to follow such and such carrier they want to be at a safe side.

    6 Well what is job satisfaction?

    No one will ever be satisfied ever. Not even Bill gates not even a sweeper.

    And in reverse every one will be satisfied also.

    So satisfaction is a thing to realise.

    Its better to have a paying job than a satisfying job which can't pay you enough to meet both ends meet.

    7 Agreed. Only i would like to add that what I meant actually that creative fields are risky, non guaranteed, and can accomodate very few people. But academic fields provide jobs almost to everyone.

    And dear don't get misled by the number of stars. Here you yourself are contradictory.

    If I have to go by stars I won't consider your opinion for you have also got less stars in exam. Ha ha.

    And remember no one supported Mendel and Copernicus. So it doesn't mean they were necessarily wrong.

    8
    No people are taking a wrong message out of it. See Prachi's comment above.

    And one of teacher was saying that his relative was asking him - do they also do such kind of things to students!

    So you can't blame me.
    Frame was not wrong but the people's interpretation is wrong,.

    9
    So what the 3 idiots were doing in that institute. Were they genuinely interested?

    10
    here I won't agree. If a student is interested in studies can he top just by loafing around most of time.

    If one pursues western dance or coreo will he excel without constant practising.


    Rancho seemed to have some supernatural powers. In reality they don't exist.

    11
    I have never said money is only factor for happiness. But it is one of the factor. And yes it is.

    You should be able to read between the lines. I will not go on explaining each trivial thing.

    You mean to say Bill gate is not happy.
    Then who is happy - the beggar on the subway or the laborer who is digging earth all day long.

    Bill gate is not doing charity because he became unhappy with his money and wanted to get rid of it. He still have enough of it.

    He is doing charity Just because he is a nice human being and wants to contribute for a cause. Every rich person is capable of doing so. This provides extra value to money . It can help people in doing charity. What an interpretation. I don't expect such things from you.

    12
    Well you have made a prediction for yourself.
    I wish you may achieve your dream. Well i don't know much about journalism field. Does it have a competition or how easy it is. That you have to see.

    But that has to happen after 5 years. But dear you have to accept the reality of today. And you have to complete a degree you are so much uninterested in.

    So when you have to complete this degree why not do it whole heartedly, with interest and enthusiasm.

    You can't simply sit waiting for things which have to come after five years.

    and one question if you have realised that you have become a journalist why did not you went for courses like B.A in journalism or mass media or alike. You mean to say you have been forced into this field!

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